Nervous about this evening's experiment

**Cannibal** · 02-23-2009, 20:16

Your little quilts totally kick-butt, but I can't help think of this every time I think about them. Sorry.

**Mustardman** · 02-23-2009, 21:09

When you say OES winter tarp, what do you mean? I'm trying to decide on a winter tarp right now and weighing the different options available.

**RAW** · 02-23-2009, 23:21

Well, damnit.
I had to admit defeat.

I deployed all of my "keep warm" gear. And still I had to retreat indoors.
My little cheapo thermometer says it was 6º when I gave up.
But a nearby weather station says 13.8º. I dunno.

With just my air pad, topquilt, and my pocket-quilts I was just too cold. Shivering violently once I settled in.
I added the 1/8" GG pad and my torso was acceptably warm.
But I was still shivering because of how much heat I was losing out of my butt and my feet.

So then I added the heat-sheet underneath my entire body. And added the gear-hammock under my torso.
At that point, my torso was almost overly warm.

But my feet were painful and my butt was uncomfortably cold . . . still losing too much heat out of those areas.

So, should I upgrade to a full underquilt?

Now that I'm back in the shop, where it's about 34º, I'm gonna hang with just my air pad and the pocket-quilts. I'm confident that I'll be warm enough at this temperature. And pretty sure I'd be good down to 20 degrees with all of the stuff I mentioned.

grrrrr. I had hoped I'd be able to get by with the equivalent of a half-quilt (in the form of my pocket-quilts). And maybe someone else could do it. But I'm too big of a wuss, I guess.

**Roadtorque** · 02-23-2009, 23:26

Originally Posted by RAW

Well, damnit.
I had to admit defeat.

I deployed all of my "keep warm" gear. And still I had to retreat indoors.
My little cheapo thermometer says it was 6º when I gave up.
But a nearby weather station says 13.8º. I dunno.

With just my air pad, topquilt, and my pocket-quilts I was just too cold. Shivering violently once I settled in.
I added the 1/8" GG pad and my torso was acceptably warm.
But I was still shivering because of how much heat I was losing out of my butt and my feet.

So then I added the heat-sheet underneath my entire body. And added the gear-hammock under my torso.
At that point, my torso was almost overly warm.

But my feet were painful and my butt was uncomfortably cold . . . still losing too much heat out of those areas.

So, should I upgrade to a full underquilt?

Now that I'm back in the shop, where it's about 34º, I'm gonna hang with just my air pad and the pocket-quilts. I'm confident that I'll be warm enough at this temperature. And pretty sure I'd be good down to 20 degrees with all of the stuff I mentioned.

grrrrr. I had hoped I'd be able to get by with the equivalent of a half-quilt (in the form of my pocket-quilts). And maybe someone else could do it. But I'm too big of a wuss, I guess.

Yeah having gas sucks

Well good try, thats why you do test things out when you have the option to retreat. Relax, rethink your plan then retry. You'll get it

**RAW** · 02-23-2009, 23:28

Originally Posted by Mustardman

When you say OES winter tarp, what do you mean? I'm trying to decide on a winter tarp right now and weighing the different options available.

I got Brian to make me a custom 10x12 with 4 tie-outs per side.
Brian does excellent work.

**Rushthezeppelin** · 02-23-2009, 23:40

Originally Posted by Cannibal

Your little quilts totally kick-butt, but I can't help think of this every time I think about them. Sorry.

LMAO I can't help but think of the episode of Family Guy where they go to the brewery and it's a takeoff on this : P Goto love those umpalumpa quilts though

**photomankc** · 02-23-2009, 23:40

You know. I admire your dedication. Under 20*F I'm not interested. I've got down into the 30's with some minor rump coolness in the Clark with the Exped Downmat, but I doubt I could get much below the low 20's before staying warm became such an endeavor that it's not worth it. I made it pretty well with little effort in the teens a couple deer seasons ago using a tent so I'll probably resort to the ground if I HAVE to be camping in weather like that.

**Mustardman** · 02-23-2009, 23:48

Originally Posted by RAW

I got Brian to make me a custom 10x12 with 4 tie-outs per side.
Brian does excellent work.

That looks awesome - did you ever get a chance to weigh it?

**RAW** · 02-23-2009, 23:54

Originally Posted by photomankc

You know. I admire your dedication. Under 20*F I'm not interested. I've got down into the 30's with some minor rump coolness in the Clark with the Exped Downmat, but I doubt I could get much below the low 20's before staying warm became such an endeavor that it's not worth it.

Well, thanks. At the moment I just feel like a weenie compared to the guys on the forum talking about 0º with just a napkin for insulation.

I do wonder how much warmer one of the exped downmats would be compared to my insulated air core big agnes pad.

**photomankc** · 02-24-2009, 00:17

I have heard they are comparable. The Exped 7 Deluxe is what I use but the Exped 9 is a little warmer also heavier. Nature of the beast though is that your butt compresses the center down quite a bit so you get a cooler spot develop right there. My thought is I may take a small section of CCF to go right there to help some with that spot. Otherwise I do pretty well except for my feet. But they are always cold... no matter what I do. I never spent a night in anything outdoors where my feet were warm.