No Trees? No problem - Ground Anchors

[Pitch]

How big Al Angle did you use. Was 1 1/4 enough?

I believe 1 1/4 was right around where I was.

From what I found with all of my experiments is that soil conditions dictate how much you need. If you go too heavy-duty and too deep you have problems getting them out in hard soil.

The sofer it is, the deeper you need to go and/or the larger the anchor.

So like anything else, you gotta play with it for your circumstances.

If you decide to try it please share with us what you do and find!

[split]

Been following this thread, now it's time to jump in. This Guy has some cool products: http://www.slideanchor.com/default.aspx
The slide anchor and danik hook look like rigging goodies for Hammock camping, big tarp set-ups, tensegrity etc.
Sand spike: http://www.sandspike.com/ simple enough.
This: http://www.treemounthammocks.com/bipod_tree_system.html
as posted by Oldgringo and others, seems to be on "the right track?"
I'll be keeping a eye out for anything AND everything that could lead to building the perfect mouse stand/hammock trap.

[Mike_O]

Split, those all seem good but I need four to anchor my treeless system, kind of expensive.
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xexorz, Ive been using iron stakes that I bought at Home Depot but I'm pretty sure that I can use longer pieces of rebar here on the coast. You just have to get deep enough to get into the "wetter" sand.



Here are some other pictures, I pretty much copied Warbonnet guy but used one piece sch 40 Aluminum pipe

[benchdog]

one piece sch 40 Aluminum pipe

Mike_O what lenght of pipe are you using. I have been experimenting with a collapsible paint roller handle as a pole. This only extends to 4 feet but then will collapse down to about 2 feet to make it slightly more "hike-able". Yours looks taller than that. I am having trouble staying off the ground with a decent amount of sag when the poles are far enough apart to allow me to pitch my Superfly.

[Mike_O]

I believe those poles are 6 feet, 72 inches. Look for a post from Warbonnet I think he made some that were collapsible but I don't know what the weighed.

[benchdog]

Anyone tried anything like these.
http://www.supapeg.com.au/product_in...roducts_id=163
They claim to have a mechanical advantage due to the shape. I tried them in reasonably firm soil. Seemed to hold well but my 180 pounds had them breaking at the right angle.
Maybe an aluminium/titanium version would survive?

[split]

Split, those all seem good but I need four to anchor my treeless system, kind of expensive.

That rig is brilliant!
I am just exploring the multitude of materials and processes out there.

"To have a great idea, have a lot of them."
Edison, Thomas A.

[rjcress]

Did you see turtlelady's bamboo stand? Should fit in any car... http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=27777

Yep, I've seen it.
Not likely that 2 of those would fit in my Yaris along with my son and our gear.
Really hoping some options come out of this thread that will be viable for us.
Otherwise, we could end up in tents.

[rjcress]

This: http://www.treemounthammocks.com/bipod_tree_system.html
as posted by Oldgringo and others, seems to be on "the right track?"

Very interesting.
So, the anchor device on the bipod system is a V shape that has long staples pounded into the ground over the V to spread the pulling force.

I wonder if this would work using something like a 2" wide poly strap laid in a V shape on the ground, with similar stables or conventional stakes driven through the strap (or through loops in the strap) and into the ground at regular intervals.
I'm guessing that 3 or 4 stakes per side, or 6-8 stakes per V would be sufficient in all but really loose soil or sand.
If a pole is being used instead of a bipod to support the hammock, then maybe 2 sets of Vs with 4 stakes each would hold each end.
Pure speculation, as I've not tried this, but I may have to.

Dang it! I keep telling myself NOT to get sucked into another project...

[jred]

Actually, if you use a pole to support the hammock, resting on a bipod, you should be able to get away with a stabilizing guy line. I'm halfway through building my bamboo tripods (torch curing the bamboo), and the horizontal pole support idea is blowing my mind with the possibilities.
Use more sections for the horizontal pole for smaller breakdown. Use two piece legs for the bipod/tripod for smaller breakdown. I made my legs ~5 1/2 ft long, and I'm thinking that may be too tall.
If you're car camping, use threaded pipes & make them as short as you need to. 1" legs should work for the bi/tripod, and 1.25" should work for the horizontal.